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Meadows: "Ok. Alright. Mr. President, everyone is on the line. This is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware. On the line is secretary of state, and two other individuals. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta
 Mitchell — who is not the attorney of record but has been involved — myself
and then the president. So
Mr. President, I'll turn it over to you."




Audio Of Trump's Phone Call
Follow Along




 Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time
 and the call. So we've spent a lot of time on this and if we could just go over some of the
 numbers, I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even
 see it by rally size, frankly. We'd be  getting 25-30,000 people a rally and the competition would
 get less than 100 people. And it never made  sense.
 But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250-300,000 ballots
 were  dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which
 hasn't been checked.  We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the
 signatures going back in Fulton County  you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of
 forged signatures of people who have been forged.  And we are quite sure that's going to
 happen.
 Another tremendous number. We're going to have an accurate number over the next two days
 with certified accountants. But an accurate number but its in the 50s of thousands— and that's
 people that  went to vote and they were told they can't vote because they've already been voted
 for. And it's a very sad thing. They walked out complaining. But the number's large. We'll have it
 for you. But it's much more than the number of 11,779 that's — The current margin is only
 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? That's something I think everyone — at least
 that's' a number that everyone agrees on.
 But that's the difference in the votes. But we've had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we're
 able to actually — we'll get you a pretty accurate number. You don't need much of a number
 because the number that in theory I lost by, the margin would be 11,779. But you also have a
 substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on
 November 3, were told they couldn't vote, were told they couldn't vote because a ballot had
 been put on their name. And you know that's very, very, very, very sad.
 We had, I believe it's about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren't on the voter registration  
 list, so it's 4,502 who voted but they weren't on the voter registration roll which they had to be.
 You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant and they're not allowed to be
 counted. That's 18,325.
 Smaller number — you had 904 who only voted where they had just a P.O. — a post office box
 number —  and they had a post office box number and that's not allowed. We had at least
 18,000 — that's on tape we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do
 with [name]. She's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was
 the tape that's been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad, you me and
 everybody else. Where they got — number one they said very clearly and it's been reported
 they said there was a major  water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came
 back, [name] and her daughter and a few  people. There were no Republican poll watchers.
 Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess  they were them. But there were no
 Democrats, either and there was no law enforcement. Late in the  morning, they went early in
 the morning they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield and they pulled out the
 votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before the table was put there. I think it
 was, Brad you would know, it was probably eight hours or seven hours before and then it was
 stuffed with votes.
 They weren't in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks,
 suitcases but they weren't in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we
 watched it and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it but
 slow motion and it was magnified many times over and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all
 for Biden.
 You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia but they were from out of state, of 4,925.
 You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses.
 They had nothing on them about addresses, that's 2,326.
 And you had drop boxes, which is very bad. You had drop boxes that were picked up. We have
 photographs and we have affidavits from many people.
 I don't know if you saw the hearings, but you have drop boxes where the box was picked up but
 not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that box including,
 you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there were many infractions and the bottom
 line is, many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by — we had vast I mean the
 state is in turmoil over this.
 And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and
 you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, And I didn't lose the state, Brad.
 People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the
 political people said that there's no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the
 ... As you know, every single state ... we won every state we one every statehouse in the
 country. We held the Senate which is shocking to people, although we'll see what happens  
 tomorrow or in a few days.
 And we won the House, but we won every single statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think 16 or 17 or something. I think there's a now difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits or are going to that, that there was no way that they beat me in the election that the people came out, in fact, they were expecting to lose and then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there's no way that they've done many polls prior to the election. There was no way that they won.
 Ballots were dropped in massive numbers. And we're trying to get to those numbers and we will
 have them.

 They'll take a period of time. Certified. But but they're massive numbers. And far greater than
 the 11,779.
 The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted and I think the number is close to 5,000
 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an
 accurate number and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.
 The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake
 ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas. And this may or may
 not ... because this just came up this morning that they are burning their ballots, that they are
 shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. They're changing the equipment on the
 Dominion machines and, you know, that's not legal.
 And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds of, 3,000 pounds of ballots. And
 that just came to us as a report today. And it is a very sad situation.
 But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and
 many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified but they are certified. And those
 are numbers that are there that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean by a
 lot and people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there's
 turmoil.
 I mean there's turmoil in Georgia and other places. You're not the only one I mean we have
 other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. And this is something that — You
 know, as an example, I think it in Detroit, I think there's a section a good section of your state
 actually, which we're not sure so we're not going to report it yet. But in Detroit, we had, I think it
 was, 139% of the people voted. That's not too good.
 In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And uh
 that doesn't play too well, and the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist
 and angry. I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But, uh, they
 had as an example, in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was
 I think, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours, you were
 in the 4-5,000 category.
 And that was checked out laboriously by going through, by going through the obituary columns
 in the newspapers.
 So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, the bottom line and provisional ballots, again, you
 know, you'll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were
 complaining that they weren't able to vote because they were already voted for. These are
 great people.
 And, you know, they were shellshocked. I don't know if you call that provisional ballots. In some
 states we had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot
 because when they walked in on November 3 and they were already voted for.
 So that's it. I mean, we have many many times the number of votes necessary to win the state.
 And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily and we're getting, we have,
 much of this is a very, you know they're certified, far more certified than we need. But we're   
 getting additional numbers certified, too.

 And we're getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three
 days later, in some cases, plus we have many affidavits to that effect.
 Meadows: So Mr. President, if I might be able to jump in and I'll give Brad a chance. Mr
. Secretary, obviously there is, there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair
 vote and legal vote was counted and that's at odds with the representation from the secretary of
 state's office.
 What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can we can find some kind of agreement to look
 at this a little bit more fully. You know the president mentioned Fulton County.
 But in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to
 lead, and so Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and
 compromise is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these
 allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious?
 Raffensperger: Well, I listened to what the President has just said. President Trump, we've
 had several  lawsuits and we've had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions
. Um, we don't agree that you have won. And we don't — I didn't agree about the 200,000
 number that you'd mentioned. And I can go through that point by point.
 What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going
 through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs
 committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on
 all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen,
 Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this
 past election. Going back, primarily what you've talked about here focused in on primarily, I
 believe, is the absentee ballot process. I don't believe that you're really questioning  the
 Dominion machines. Because we did a hand retally, a 100% retally of all the ballots and
 compared them to what the machines said and came up with virtually the same result. Then we
 did the recount, and we got virtually the same result. So I guess we can probably take that off
 the table.
 I don't think there's an issue about that. What you--
 Trump: Well, Brad. Not that there's not an issue, because we have a big issue with Dominion in
 other states and perhaps in yours. But we haven't felt we needed to go there. And just to, you
 know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, uh, yeah we'd
 like to go further, but we don't really need to. We have all the votes we need.
 You know, we won the state. If you took, these are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that
 I gave you, those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots sent to vacant
 addresses, your out of state voters 4,925. You know when you add them up, it's many more
 times, it's many times the 11,779 number. So we could go through, we have not gone through
 your Dominion. So we can't give them blessing. I mean, in other states, we think we found
 tremendous corruption with Dominion machines but we'll have to see.
 But we only lost the state by that number, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being said, with
 just what we have, with just what we have we're giving you minimal, minimal numbers. We're
 doing the most conservative numbers possible, we're many times, many, many times above the
 margin. And so we don't really have to, Mark, I don't think we have to go through ...
 Meadows: Right
 Trump: Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning
 it by half a million votes. I think I probably did win it by half a million. You know, one of the
 things that happened Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from
 South Carolina and from other states, and they're saying it's impossible for you to have lost
 Georgia. We won. You know in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia,
 we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say it's not possible to have lost
 Georgia.
 And I could tell you by our rallies. I could tell you by the rally I'm having on Monday night, the
 place, they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. It's just not possible to have
 lost Georgia. It's not possible. When I heard it was close I said there's no way. But they dropped
 a lot of votes in there late at night. You know that, Brad. And that's what we are working on
 very, very stringently. But regardless of those votes, with all of it being said, we lost by
 essentially 11,000 votes and we have many more votes already calculated and certified, too.
 And so I just don't know, you know, Mark, I don't know what's the purpose. I won't give
 Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things. But we don't need Dominion or
 anything else. We have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And there's nothing
 wrong with saying that, Brad. You know I mean, having the correct — the people of Georgia are
 angry. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night. Along with others that
 we're going to have by that time which are much more substantial even. And the people of
 Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there's nothing wrong with saying,
 you know, um, that you've recalculated. Because the 2,236 in absentee ballots. I mean, they're
 all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms law firms, etc. and even if you cut 'em in
 half, cut 'em in half and cut 'em in half, again, it's more votes than we need.
 Raffensperger: Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.
 We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised.
 But they — I guess there was a person Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and
 presented data and he said that there was dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The
 actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So that's wrong. There
 were two.
 Trump: Well Cleta, how do you respond to that? Maybe you tell me?
 Mitchell: Well, I would say Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested and what
 we said was, if you look, if you read our petition, it said that we took the names and birth years
 and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records that
 only you have and so we said there is a universe of people who have the same name and
 same birth year and died.
 But we don't have the records that you have. And one of the things that we have been
 suggesting formally and informally for weeks now is for you to make available to us the records
 that would be necessary —
 Trump: But Cleta, even before you do that, and not even including that, that's why hardly even
 included that number, although in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So
 I don't know — I'm sure we do in Georgia, too. I'm sure we do in Georgia too.
 But, um, we're so far ahead. We're so far ahead of these numbers, even the phony ballots of
 [name], known scammer. You know the Internet? You know what was trending on the Internet?
 "Where's [name]?" Because they thought she'd be in jail. "Where's [name]?" It's crazy, it's crazy.
 That was. The minimum number is 18,000 for [name], but they think it's probably about 56,000,
 but the minimum number is 18,000 on the [name] night where she ran back in there when
 everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes. Let's face it, Brad, I mean. They
 did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like
 nobody had ever seen them stuffed before.
 So there's a term for it when it's a machine instead of a ballot box, but she stuffed the machine.
 She stuffed the ballot — each ballot went three times they were showing: Here's ballot No 1.
 Here it is second time, third time, next ballot.
 I mean, look. Brad. We have a new tape that we're going to release. It's devastating. And by the
 way, that
 one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that we're talking about. It's uh,
 you know. That one event was a disaster. And it's just, you know, but it was, it was something,
 it can't be disputed. And again we have a version that you haven't seen but it's magnified. It's
 magnified and you can see  everything. For some reason they put it in three times, each ballot,
 and I don't know why. I don't know why three times. Why not five times, right? Go ahead.
 Raffensperger: You're talking about the State Farm video. And I think it's extremely
 unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of
 context. The next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and
 what you'll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was projected by, you know —
 Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There
 were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there.
 It was late in the evening, late in the, early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the
 room. Where were the poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did
 and which was reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a
 water main break, and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break.
 There was no water main break. But we're, if you take out everything, where were the
 Republican poll watchers, even where were the Democrat poll watchers, because there were
 none.
 And then you say, well, they left their station, you know, if you look at the tape, and this was,
 this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people, when they left in a
 rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These
 people left their station.
 When they came back, they didn't go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped around
 the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official
 or a sealed box. And then they took those. They went back to a different station. So if they
 would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued
 to work. But they couldn't do even that because that's illegal, because they had no Republican
 poll watchers. And remember, her reputation is deva — she's known all over the Internet, Brad.
 She's known all over.
 I'm telling you, "Where's [name]" was one of the hot items ...[name] They knew her. "Where's
 [name]?" So Brad, there can be no justification for that. And I you know, I give everybody the
 benefit of the doubt. But that was — and Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You
 know, they put 'em in three times.
 Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that and we proved
 conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
 Trump: Where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody?
 Where were the Republicans? Where were the security guards? Where were the people that
 were there just a little while before when everyone ran out of the room. How come we had no
 security in the room? Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why do they run there and 
 just open the skirt and rip out the votes? I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there, I think for
 five hours or something like that, the votes. But they just all happened to run back and go, you
 know, Brad...
 Raffensperger: Mr. President, we'll send you the link from WSB.
 Trump: I don't care about the link. I don't need it. Brad, I have a much better link —
 Mitchell: I will tell you. I've seen the tape. The full tape. So has Alex. We've watched it. And
 what we saw and what we've confirmed in the timing is that. They made everybody leave, we
 have sworn affidavits saying that. And then they began to process ballots. And our estimate is
 that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We don't know that. If you know that ...
 Trump: It was 18,000 ballots but they used each one three times.
 Mitchell: Well, I don't know about that.
 Trump: I do think because we had ours magnified out. Each one magnified out is 18 times
 three
 Mitchell: I've watched the entire tape.
 Trump: Nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. I mean, look, you'd have to be a child
 to think anything other than that. Just a child. I mean you have your never Trumper...
 Mitchell: How many ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying were processed then?
 Raffensperger: We had GBI ... investigate that.
 Germany: We had our — this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to
 everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as
 FBI agents.
 Trump: Well, there's no way they could — then they're incompetent. They're either dishonest or
 incompetent, okay?
 Mitchell: Well, what did they find?
 Trump: There's only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There's just no way. Look.
 There's no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there is no way. I mean, there's no way that
 these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that voted but they
 don't live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? That was a pretty good number
 too.
 Mitchell: The number who have registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so
 they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state. And then
 it's like 4,500, I don't have that number right in front of me.
 Trump: And then they came back in and they voted.
 Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
 Trump: I thought that was a large number, though. It was in the 20s. The point is...
 Germany: We've been going through each of those as well and those numbers that we got that
 Ms. Mitchell was just saying, they're not accurate. Every one we've been through, are people
 that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately.
 And in many cases
 Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, "Ah, to hell with it I'll
 move back."  You know, it doesn't sound like a very normal ... you mean, they moved out, and
 what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It's crazy.
 Germany: This is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the
 election. So there's something about that data that, it's just not accurate.
 Trump: Well, I don't know, all I know is that it is certified. And they moved out of Georgia and
 they voted. It didn't say they moved back in Cleta, did it?
 Mitchell: No, but I mean, we're looking at the voter registration. Again, if you have additional
 records, we've been asking for that, but you haven't shared any of that with us. You just keep
 saying you investigated the allegations.
 Trump: But, Cleta, a lot of it you don't need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should
 share it. They should share it because you want to get to an honest election.
 I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There's no way I lost Georgia. There's no
 way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I'm just going by small numbers when you
 add them up they're many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of
 votes.
 Do you think it's possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because that's what the
 rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get
 rid of their, uh,  machinery.
 Do you know anything about that? Because that's illegal, right?
 Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton
 County.
 Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other
 parts?
 Germany: No.
 Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?
 Germany: I'm sure. I'm sure, Mr. President.
 Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been
 shredding ballots?
 Germany: The only investigation that we have into that — they have not been shredding any
 ballots.
 There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid
 of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from, you know, from you know past
 elections.
 Trump: I don't know. It doesn't pass the smell test because we hear they're shredding
 thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they're saying, "Oh, we're just cleaning up
 the office." So I don't think they're cleaning.
 Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say
 anything.
 Trump: Oh this isn't social media. This is Trump media. It's not social media. It's really not it's
 not social media. I don't care about social media. I couldn't care less. Social media is Big Tech.
 Big Tech is on your side. I don't even know why you have a side, because you should want to
 have an accurate election. And you're a Republican.
 Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.
 Trump: No, no you don't. No, no you don't. You don't have. Not even close. You're off by
 hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, you're off on these numbers
 and these numbers can't be just — well, why wont? — Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County
 for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didn't want to go into.
 And you said it would be open to the public. And we could have our - So we had our experts      
 there they weren't allowed into the room. But we didn't want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton
 County. And you wouldn't give it to us. Now, why aren't we doing signature — and why can't it
 be open to the public?
 And why can't we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs who will never find
 anything and don't want to find anything? They don't want to find, you know, they don't want to
 find anything. Someday you'll tell me the reason why, because I don't understand your
 reasoning, but someday you'll tell me the reason why. But why don't you want to find?
 Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County —
 Trump: Why don't you want to find ... What?
 Germany: Sorry, go ahead.
 Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn't even request — we requested Fulton
 County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead.
 Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there's been any
 evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.
 Trump: No, but I told you. We're not, we're not saying that.
 Mitchell: We did say that.
 Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She
 has outplayed you ... at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement,
 which is a disastrous agreement. You can't check signatures. I can't imagine you're allowed to
 do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country. But she
 got you somehow to sign that thing and she has outsmarted you at every step.
 And I hate to imagine what's going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but it's very scary to
 people. You know, where the ballots flow in out of nowhere. It's very scary to people. That
 consent decree is a disaster. It's a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said they've
 never seen anything like it.
 Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement
 did not change that one iota.
 Trump: It's not a settlement agreement, it's a consent decree. It even says consent decree on
 it, doesn't it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesn't say settlement agree. It's a consent
 decree. It's a disaster.
 Raffensperger: It's a settlement agreement.
 Trump: What's written on top of it?
 Raffensperger: Ryan?
 Germany: I don't have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court, it's not a court order.
 Trump: But Ryan, it's called a consent decree, is that right? On the paper. Is that right?
 Germany: I don't. I don't. I don't believe so, but I don't have it in front of me.
 Trump: OK, whatever, it's a disaster. It's a disaster. Look. Here's the problem. We can go
 through signature verification and we'll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us
 do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn't do that in
 Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a
 signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And
 compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know,  or even one. And you'll
 find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will
 find that you have many that aren't even signed and you have many that are forgeries.
 OK, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be
 at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt.
 And they're going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you
 know it or not, they're laughing at you and you've taken a state that's a Republican state, and
 you've made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they
 cheated like nobody's ever cheated before. And I don't care how long it takes me, you know,
 we're going to have other states coming forward — pretty good.
 But I won't ... this is never ... this is ... We have some incredible talent said they've never seen
 anything ... Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers. But they're very
 substantial numbers. But I think you're going to find that they — by the way, a little information,
I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the
 ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they're brand new and
 they don't have a seal and there's the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.
 And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it
 is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's
 a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your
 lawyer. And that's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've
 heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of
 which are criminal finds. And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I
 mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want
 to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.
 And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, cause you know, this is —     
 it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a
 mistake, I don't know. A lot of people think it wasn't a mistake. It was much more criminal than
 that. But it's a big problem in Georgia and it's not a problem that's going away. I mean, you
 know, it's not a problem that's going away.
 Germany: Mr President, this is Ryan. We're looking into every one of those things that you
 mentioned.
 Trump: Good. But if you find it you've got to say it, Ryan.
 Germany: ... Let me tell you what we are seeing. What we're seeing is not at all what you're
 describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and they're
 looking and they're good. And that's not what they're seeing. And we'll keep looking, at all
 these things.
 Trump: Well, you better check the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I'm just
 telling you, Ryan. They're shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully. Because
 that's so illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because it's so bad. But they're
 shredding ballots because they think we're going to eventually get ... because we'll eventually
 get into Fulton. In my opinion it's never too late. ...  So, that's the story. Look, we need only
 11,000 votes. We have are far more than that as it stands now.  We'll have more and more
. And. Do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad? Provisional ballots?
 Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.
 Trump: Sure, but I mean, are they counted or did you just hold them back because they, you
 know, in  other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the state?
 Raffensperger: We'll get you that number.
 Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name Trump. Because these are people
 that were scammed when they came in. And we have thousands of people that have testified or
 that want to testify when they came in they were probably going to vote on November 3. And
 they were told I'm sorry, you've already been voted for, you've already voted. The women, men
 started screaming, No. I proudly voted til November 3. They said, I'm sorry, but you've already
 been voted for and you have a ballot and these people are beside themselves. So they went
 out and they filled in a provisional ballot, putting the name Trump on it.
 And what about that batch of military ballots that came in. And even though I won the military by
 a lot, it was 100 percent Trump. I mean 100 percent Biden. Do you know about that? A large
 group of ballots came in.  I think it was to Fulton County and they just happened to be 100
 percent for Trump — for Biden, even  though Trump won the military by a lot, you know, a
 tremendous amount. But these ballots were 100 percent for Biden. And, do you know about
 that? A very substantial number came in, all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?
 Mitchell: I know about it, but —
 Trump: OK, Cleta, I'm not asking you Cleta, honestly. I'm asking Brad. Do you know about the
 military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about the military ballots that came in
 that were 100 percent, I mean 100 percent for Biden. Do you know about that?
 Germany: I don't know about that, I do know that we have when military ballots come in, it's not
 just military, it's also military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does generally go
 Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democrat. This was a mix of
'em.
 Trump: No, but this was. That's OK. But I got like 78 percent in the military. These ballots were
 all for ...  They didn't tell me overseas. Could be overseas too, but I get votes overseas too,
 Ryan, you know in all fairness. No they came in, a large batch came in and it was, quote, 100
 percent for Biden. And that is criminal. You know, that's criminal. OK. That's another criminal,
 that's another of the many criminal events,  many criminal events here.
 Oh, I don't know, look Brad. I got to get ... I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a
 lot. And therefore, I won the state. That's before we go to the next step, which is in the process
 of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no
 criminality.
 But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it's
 very dangerous for you to say that.
 I just, I just don't know why you don't want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you
 when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know ...the check... And
 we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way
 that check was done, all  you're doing is you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know
, and you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were
 bad. So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five I don't know. still a lot of
 votes. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you
 check with Fulton County, you'll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into
 Fulton County and the other county next to it.
 So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes.
 Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already. Or we can keep it going but that's
 not fair to the voters of  Georgia because they're going to see what happened and they're going
 to see what happened. I mean, I'll, I'll take on to anybody you want with regard to [name] and
 her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, I'm sure. But, but [name] ... I will take on anybody
 you want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots but  they used them three times. So
 that's, you know, a lot of votes. ...and that one event... And they were all to Biden, by the way,
 that's the other thing we didn't say. You know, [name] , the one thing I forgot to say which
 was the most important. You know that every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know
 that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad?
 Every single ballot that she did through the machines at early, early in the morning, went to
 Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?
 Germany: That's not accurate, Mr. President.
 Trump: Huh. What is accurate?
 Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.
 Trump: No, about [name] . About early in the morning, Ryan. When the woman took, you know,
 when the whole gang took the stuff from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who
 those ballots, who they were made out to, do you know who they were voting for?
 Germany: No, not specifically.
 Trump: Did you ever check?
 Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —
 Trump: No no no — did you ever check the ballots that were scanned by [name] , a known
 political  operative and balloteer. Did ever check who those votes were for?
 Germany: We looked into that situation that you described.
 Trump: No, they were 100 percent for Biden. 100 percent. There wasn't a Trump vote in the
 whole group.  Why don't you want to find this, Ryan? What's wrong with you? I heard your
 lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I'm sure you're a good lawyer. You have a nice last name.
 But, but I'm just curious why wouldn't, why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesn't make
 sense. We're way over the 17,779, right? We're way over that number and just if you took just
 [name] , we're over that number by five, five or six times when you multiply that times three.
 And every single ballot went to Biden, and you didn't know that, but, now you know it. So tell
 me, Brad,  what are we going to do? We won the election and it's not fair to take it away from
 us like this. And it's going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that
 you're going to reexamine it and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to
 find answers, not people that don't want to find answers. For instance, I'm hearing Ryan that
 he's probably, I'm sure a great lawyer and everything. But he's making statements about those
 ballots that he doesn't know. But he's making them with such — he did make them with surety.
 But now I think he's less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden and that alone wins
 us the election by a lot. You know, so.
 Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information and we have our
 people that submit information. And then it comes before the court and the court then has to
 make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.
 Trump: Why do you say that? I don't know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the
 courts, but why do you say that? First of all they don't even assign us a judge. They don't even
 assign us a judge. But why wouldn't you — Hey Brad, why wouldn't you want to check out
 [name] ? And why wouldn't you want to say,  hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that,
 then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident  alone without going through hundreds
 of thousands of dropped ballots. You just say, you stick by, I mean  I've been watching you, you
 know, you don't care about anything. "Your numbers are right." But your numbers aren't right.
 They're really wrong and they're really wrong, Brad. And I know this phone call is
 going nowhere other than, other than ultimately, you know — Look ultimately, I win, okay?
 Mitchell: Mr. Secretary...
 Trump: Because you guys are so wrong. And you treated this. You treated the population of
 Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who was down at 21, he was down 21
 points. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him and he got elected, but I will tell you, he is a
 disaster.
 And he knows, I can't imagine that people are so angry in Georgia, I can't imagine he's ever
 getting elected again I'll tell you that much right now. But why wouldn't you want to find the right
 answer, Brad, instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? Cause those numbers are so
 wrong?
 Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things that we have been, Alex can talk about
 this, we talked about it, and I don't know whether the information has been conveyed to your
 office, but I think what the president is saying, and what we've been trying to do is to say, look,
 the court is not acting on our petition. They haven't even assigned a judge. But the people of
 Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers. And you have data and
 records that we don't have access to. And you keep telling us and making public statements
 that you investigated this and nothing to see here. But we don't know about that. All we know is
 what you tell us. What I don't understand is why wouldn't it be in everyone's best interest to try
 to get to the bottom, compare the numbers, you know, if you say, because - to try to be able to
 get to the truth because we don't have any way of confirming what you're telling us. You tell us
 that you had an investigation at the State Farm Arena. I don't have any report. I've never seen a
 report of investigation. I don't know that is. I've been pretty involved in this and I don't know.
 And that's just one of like 25 categories. And it doesn't even, and as I, as the president said, we
 haven't even gotten into the Dominion issue. That's not part of our case. It's not part of our, we
 just didn't feel as though we had any way to be able to develop —
 Trump: No, we do have a way but I don't want to get into it. We found a way in other states
 excuse me, but we don't need it because we're only down 11,000 votes so we don't even need
 it. I personally think they're corrupt as hell. But we don't need that. Because all we have to do
 Cleta is find 11,000-plus votes. So we don't need that. I'm not looking to shake up the whole
 world. We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by
 basic simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. So we're not giving Dominion a pass on the
 record. We just, we don't need Dominion, because we have so many other votes that we don't
 need to prove it any more than we already have.
 Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert, if I might interject for a moment. Um Ryan,
 I would like to suggest just four categories that have already been mentioned by the president
 that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes that were counted illegally. That in and of itself
 is sufficient to change the results or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to sit down with
 your office and we can do it through purposes of compromise and just like this phone call, just
 to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you are able to establish that our numbers are
 not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. We've had now three to
 four separate experts looking at these numbers.
 Trump: Certified accountants looked at them.
 Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on USPS data and your own secretary of state's data.
 So that's what we would entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and
 settlements proceeding and actually go through the registered voter IDs and registrations. And
 if you can convince us that that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we tend to believe that is,
 you know, obviously more than 11,779. That's sufficient to change the results entirely in of itself.
 So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?
 Germany: Kurt, um I'm happy to get with our lawyers and we'll set that up. That number is not
 accurate.  And I think we can show you, for all the ones we've looked at, why it's not. And so if
 that would be helpful,  I'm happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys.
 Trump: Well, let me ask you, Kurt, you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the
 information given to you by the secretary of state's department, right?
 Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum most conservative data based upon
 the USPS data and the secretary of state's office data that has been made publicly available.
 We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state. Yet, we have asked for it six
 times. I sent a letter over to Mr... several times requesting this information, and it's been
 rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason  that if the information is not forthcoming,
 there's something to hide. That's the problem that we have.
 Germany: Well, that's not the case sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And
 there's things that under the law, we are not allowed to give out.
 Trump: Well, you have to. Well, under the law you're not allowed to give faulty election results,
 OK? You're not allowed to do that. And that's what you done. This is a faulty election result. And
 honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election
 coming up and because of what  you've done to the president — you know, the people of
 Georgia know that this was a scam. And because of what you've done to the president, a lot of
 people aren't going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because
 they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they're going to vote. And you
 would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election.
 You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore I think that it is really important
  that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know Brad that if you think
 we're right, I think you're going to say, and I'm not looking to blame anybody. I'm just saying you
 know, and, you know, under new counts, and under uh, new views, of the election results, we
 won the election. You know? It's very simple. We won the election. As the governors of major
 states and the surrounding states said, there is no way you lost Georgia, as the Georgia
 politicians say, there is no way, you lost Georgia. Nobody. Everyone knows I won it by hundreds
 of thousands of votes. But I'll tell you it's going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys
 don't get this thing straightened out fast.
 Meadows: Mr. President. This is Mark. It sounds like we've got two different sides agreeing that
 we can look at these areas ands I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours to
 go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we
 get the access to the secretary of state's data to either validate or invalidate the claims that
 have been made. Is that correct?
 Germany: No, that's not what I said. I'm happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the
 lawyers on that side and explain to my him, here's, based on what we've looked at so far, here's
 how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.
 Meadows: So what you're saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure ... so what you're saying is
 you really don't want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the
 lawsuit is wrong?
 Germany: I don't think we can give access to data that's protected by law. But we can sit down
 with them and say —
 Trump: But you're allowed to have a phony election? You're allowed to have a phony election
 right?
 Germany: No sir.
 Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature
 verification on Fulton County, which you said you were going to do, and now all of a sudden
 you're not doing it. When are you doing that?
 Germany: We are going to do that. We've announced —
 Hilbert: To get to this issue of the personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the
 secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we could access that
 information and private information without you having any kind of violation?
 Trump: Well, I don't want to know who it is. You guys can do it very confidentially. You can sign
 a  confidentiality agreement. That's OK. I don't need to know names. But we go the information
 on this stuff that we're talking about. We got all that information from the secretary of state.
 Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me recommend, Ryan, if you and Kurt would get together, you
 know, when we get off of this phone call, if you could get together and work out a plan to
 address some of what we've got with your attorneys where we can we can actually look at the
 data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can tell you say they were only two dead people who would
 vote. I can promise you there were more than that. And  that may be what your investigation
 shows, but I can promise you there were more than that. But at the same time, I think it's
 important that we go ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as quickly as
 we possibly can. And if that's the good next step. Hopefully we can, uh we can finish this phone
 call and go ahead and agree that the two of you will get together immediately.
 Trump: Well why don't my lawyers show you where you got the information. It will show the
 secretary of state, and you don't even have to look at any names. We don't want names. We
 don't care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you
 know she's going around saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What she's done to this
 party is unbelievable, I tell ya. And I only ran against her once. And that was with a guy named
 Brian Kemp and I beat her. And if I didn't run, Brian wouldn't have had even a shot, either in the
 general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He never thought he had a shot at
 either one of them. What a schmuck I was. But that's the way it is. That's the way it is. I
 would like you ... for the attorneys ... I'd like you to perhaps meet with Ryan ideally tomorrow,
 because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election. Otherwise you're
 going to have people just  not voting. They don't want to vote. They hate the state, they hate
 the governor and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. The only people
 like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that Brad, right? They like you know,
 they like you. They can't believe what they found. They want people like you. So, look, can you
 get together tomorrow? And Brad. We just want the truth. It's simple. And everyone's going to
 look very good if the truth comes out. It's OK. It takes a little while but let the truth come out.
 And the real truth is I won by 400,000 votes. At least. That's the real truth. But we don't need
 400,000.
 We need less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow Ryan?
 Germany: Um, I'll get with Chris, the lawyer representing us and the case, and see when he
 can get together with Kurt.
 Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank
 you President Trump for your time.
 Trump: OK, thank you, Brad. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you
 very much.  Bye.








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